Although I'm not sure how much applicability they have to the aca-fan debates (and at least some fans have told me heck yeah anything publicly posted is fair to quote in academic article no need to ask etc.)
Since almost all of the fics I have written about are by friends, I do ask, because of that relationship (I didn't ask when I was doing some analysis of archive language because it was a totally different situation).
I don't ask to reinforce the myth: I ask because of that relationship.
I think many of us who think asking is important are doing it because we know we are likely to be working with stuff from friends or friends or friends (I've just added new friends because of my current project on the racist imbroglios--I followed links, was reading, and did not just wish to yank a quote and then leave--I wanted to learn more from the anti-racist fans, wanted to read their journals on a regular basis, start to establish that relationship).
OTOH recently it took me months to get an answer (the writer had RL problems and wasn't checking fan stuff, which is totally fair, I do it myself)--at that point, I was asking: is it totally unfair to go ahead without permission? (I got lambasted in one discussion where I was trying to talk about this as an evil oppressive academizing type--and really, that irked me mostly because I had not done anything, not even written the paper, was trying to talk about the complexity of issues). As it turned out, we're fine.
But....while I totally agree in many ways with your main point....but I'll probably still be asking.
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Although I'm not sure how much applicability they have to the aca-fan debates (and at least some fans have told me heck yeah anything publicly posted is fair to quote in academic article no need to ask etc.)
Since almost all of the fics I have written about are by friends, I do ask, because of that relationship (I didn't ask when I was doing some analysis of archive language because it was a totally different situation).
I don't ask to reinforce the myth: I ask because of that relationship.
I think many of us who think asking is important are doing it because we know we are likely to be working with stuff from friends or friends or friends (I've just added new friends because of my current project on the racist imbroglios--I followed links, was reading, and did not just wish to yank a quote and then leave--I wanted to learn more from the anti-racist fans, wanted to read their journals on a regular basis, start to establish that relationship).
OTOH recently it took me months to get an answer (the writer had RL problems and wasn't checking fan stuff, which is totally fair, I do it myself)--at that point, I was asking: is it totally unfair to go ahead without permission? (I got lambasted in one discussion where I was trying to talk about this as an evil oppressive academizing type--and really, that irked me mostly because I had not done anything, not even written the paper, was trying to talk about the complexity of issues). As it turned out, we're fine.
But....while I totally agree in many ways with your main point....but I'll probably still be asking.